PIctures and rights

[Ric]

I am hoping someone here can help me. What happens when citing photos? Donna just today handed me a 2" binder with photos in it taken by unknown photographers, negative from David Bowlby collection but Roger had photos in his collection. I know may people are very protective of their copyrights etc so what do I do when posting them here?

[Paul Charland]

Hi Ric,

You can only do what you can. If you have photos that have no information about who they belong to the general concenses (or at least this was what was done when I was still getting alt.binaries.pictures.rail and aviation) would be to use "from the collection of Donna .....", that way you don't have to figure out what photos are from the David Bowlby negatives and which ones are from Roger. It's not a case of getting out of work, more a case of not wanting to get it wrong.

Paul

[stem]

Wow! Can't believe I didn't notice this post until today Ric.

Regarding pictures:

I think we as Canadians are far to freaked out about copyrights on material. The gereral rule is after 50 years, there is no copyright with a few exceptions. This come from our current copyright law that hopefully they will NOT change. As well, we qualify under section 29 of the copyright law to copy ANYTHING from books or magazines or from where ever (with the appropriate credit) because it says: "Fair dealing for the purpose of research or private study does not infringe copyright."

Here's the page from the wiki regarding this (our terms and conditions). If you notice, this link is on the head of EVERY page on the wiki:
http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... Conditions

Our take here is to act in GOOD FAITH, post the picture and contact original photographers and current collectors, when known or informed who they are and ask permission.

If you look at the bibliographies, you can see I've been diligent to hunt down photographers and collectors, ask for their permission and/or update photos with the proper credit.

That's acting in good faith under our current copyright laws and that's more than sufficient to continue and put any old photo up first and figure out what to do with crediting them later.

In the case of photos from Roger's estates, will will create a page for Roger and credit the collection to him and we already have a Bowlby page so we can also credit the photo's to Bowlby too. Because Bowlby copied so many negatives, we will may never know who the original photographers was but if we ever find out, we'll credit them too.

We have this on Bolby on the wiki:
http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... wlby_Photo

You can see that Jeff has a collection of his negatives as does the MacDonald museum and now we doscover so did Roger!! This is pretty exciting!

Bottom line, feel free to upload ANYTHING related to the DAR to the site.

[Ric]

Well, I just added a bunch to the Wiki. I have more to add but I am heading out the door.

[Ric]

Maybe I am being dumb, maybe I don't have the authority I dunno, buT I was trying to link the photos to where the belonged but couldn't see the way .

[stem]

Hi Rick. Thanks for a the uploads.

I got busy helping out because there were some things we needed to help display these phtos that didn't yet exist.

I created the Roger Eisner Estate category first of all. We already had the Donald Bowlby Category. Then I went to each photo and added that category to each photo's page. You can see what I did by going to the Eisner category here:
http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... Collection

Then choose a photo and hit the edit tab. Then you'll see how you make a pciture part of a category. It's all that stuff between the [[ and ]] marks. never the less, I've got everything you sent this afternoon already done.

The next thing is to then include the images in all the appropriate pages.

Take a look for example at Engine No. 552:
http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=DAR0552

You can see I've included the Image in the Gallery section now. If you hit the edit button, you will see the wiki syntax required to do that. Quite simply, and image must be put between the <gallery> marks just the way the page is listed in the wiki. In the case of 553, the image name is: Image:Annapolis Royal.jpg and i've added a comment after buy puting a "|" mark and adding the description |[[DAR0552|No. 552]] at [[Annapolis Royal Station]] in 1940. The square brackets around the phrases are to create further hotlinks to other relevant pages.

I'm more than happy to see you giving this a try! It would be a great help to have another hand on board that can at least set up their own photos and get them into the associated pages.

If this seems complex, rest assured that it really is not and that by looking at the "edit" tab of pages you can see what we have already done and use much of that for examples.

[Dan Conlin]

Thanks for uploading those image Ric. I have been working on pages for early DAR locomotives on the DARDPI steam loco list. It is nice to see some images of them to add to the pages. Some nice shots of classic DAR stations as well.
The Springfield Railway unfortunately never connected to the DAR but connected to the CNR at Springfield near New Germany. There is a good write up on them in Barbara Robertson's book on the NS lumber industry ''Sawpower''.
The parlour car interior is actually an Intercolonial Railway car, the "Acadia". The ICR couldn't resist a few Acadian names on their rolling stock as well. I added its history and some comments about it on the picture's dicussion page.

Dan

[Ric]

Ok, so if Springfield did not join DAR, where should I post theses pics (I have more that I am scanning now) as they really don't belong here

Steve, thanks for the tutorial. Will try it out later. Old dog new tricks.

[stem]

Go ahead and post them and we'll put them in the NOTDAR category and see if the NSRHS (http://www.novascotiarailwayheritage.com/index.htm) wants to display them (if they are allowed).

[Ric]

Ok, well I added some more stuff. Mostly stations and some steam locos. There was also some Springfield RR stuff too. Yeah I know it doesn't belong but this is some rare finds. Three different types of motive power.

[stem]

These are GREAT negatives and we should definitely keep them here as part of Roger's estate and find a suitable home for them as well on a site that would go into detail on the railway.

OK then, I am going to write David Othen at NSHRS and offer them to his site unless there's an objection. Going once.. going twice.. (let me know today)...

[Ric]

These are GREAT negatives and we should definitely keep them here as part of Roger's estate and find a suitable home for them as well on a site that would go into detail on the railway.

I wish they were the negatives as they would be better quality I think. These are scans of photos produced from the negatives of Donald Bowlby

OK then, I am going to write David Othen at NSHRS and offer them to his site unless there's an objection. Going once.. going twice.. (let me know today)...

I have no objection. The Springfield Railway is a little known outfit and being so remote, many of those people in those pictures would be have decendants that might like to see them.

[Dan Conlin]

More great pictures Ric. I have never seen a picture of the little Cambridge Station before. Always fun to see the variations on that DAR gothic window in little places like Horton Landing.
I would certainly support sending the Springfield Railway photos over to David Othen at the NSRHS - collaboration is important.

Dan Conlin

[Ric]

Unless I come across some more, that should be it. The one thing I did notice ios that there were duplicates in the binder and dates between the two photos varied by at least 10 years.