M-107

A general chat forum while we're waiting for the train to arrive.
Post Reply
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

Hi All,

I've been thinking of drawing the M-107 for the train sim and thought I might be able to find a decent set of drawings on the internet for the MacLaughlin Buick to at least get the basic carbody proportioned correctly. I Googled 1938 MacLaughlin Buick and as it turns out, the M-107 is actually a 1936 MacLaughlin Buick and not a 1938 model.

Note the top of the radiator that was used on the 1937 and later models compared the the rad on the M-107:

http://ned.ronet.ru/0/1938%20McLaughlin ... ousine.jpg

http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... 7_1954.jpg

http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... _aa_cs.jpg

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

You are right on. But then again, you have to be a master of detail to model!

http://www.american-automobiles.com/Bui ... -1939.html

Check the front fenders and the headlamp covers. Quite different.

3D!! http://humster3d.com/360-view/?id=97755
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

Re: M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

The 1936 Roadmaster appears to be the same as the Cadillac, just without the spare tire covers. It also has the same trim along the hood as the M-107. I did find drawings but they are on a Russian site that coughs up a warning from Microsoft if you try to view the files. Too bad, they should have been just what I was looking for, three elevations and an overhead view.

I wonder if M-107 is labeled 1938 because that's the year it was converted to a high rail car.

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

Now there's a good supposition about the date.

And Chevy and Pontiac were the same body too. GM was very much GM already in that regard.
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

Re: M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

Yes, Just things like the grill and trim varied among the GM family.

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

This link does a good job of mentioning the 4 model levels with the top being the "Limited", which if it was properly reported as a limousine, M107 would have been a "Limited".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Limited

Maybe there's a way to spot relatively what model the M107 was based on the quite difference wheelbases if we could figure out where in the bodylines they added the length. I have attached a chart of the 4 model lines with their wheelbases to start with.
1936 Buick Models.jpg
PS:
Here's a cool old Buick sales brochure with pictures of all the 4 model lines:
http://www.autopaper.com/original-1936- ... atalog.php
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

Re: M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

Hi Steve,

I think it's a 1936 Roadmaster 81 (six passenger version at 132 inch wheelbase), just without the spare tire covers. Cadillac sold these as a "Continental Kit" in later years as an option, only a single cover on the rear bumper, maybe it was an option back then as well.

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

I dunno. Based on the original description of limousine and the rear door window being so long I'd say it was in fact a series 90 limousine.

I think you can see if the best in the shot over the ash pit.

Too bad there's no other distinguishing features or trim to discern the various series from one another.
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

Re: M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

Hi Steve,

It appears the difference between the 80 series Roadmaster and the 90 series Limo was a rolldown window partition between the front seats and the rear seats. Don't think that would account for 7 inches but after looking at several picture of both models the carbodies look identical... guess I need to look some more to figure this out!

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

Like I said earlier, trying to figure out where the extra wheelbase inches show up should be interesting.

I think I see it in the rear doors. Maybe not all of it but definitely some of it.

By the look of the photo on the ash pit and the year (1947) it makes me think that the Buick was a few years old before they made it into an inspection car, so it well could have served it's purpose as the President's limo then been re-purposed.

As you mentioned the limo had a roll up window, in looking at both the B&W photos I swear I see that window frame inside the car. Take a good zoom look and see if you can spot it.
http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... _aa_cs.jpg
http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?tit ... -B0050.jpg
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
downeastrailfan
Charter Member
Posts: 455
Joined: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:22 am
Location: Dartmouth, NS

Re: M-107

Post by downeastrailfan »

Did either of you come to a definitive conclusion as to the model?
Matthew Keoughan
Dartmouth, NS

Keeping the memory alive of the famous "Land of Evangeline Route".
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

Re: M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

I did, I don't know about that other guy!

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

Well I agree with Paul, the master of research and detail. By the way Paul, what did you decide seeing as I'm agreeing with you?

You know, what I originally thought was a window frame inside the car I now conclude is just a curtain that draws from each side to the centre.
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
User avatar
Paul Charland
Charter Member
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:22 am
Location: Brockville, ON

Re: M-107

Post by Paul Charland »

My head tells me a 1936 Buick Roadmaster C 81, your head may differ!

Here's a site with C 80 shots:

http://smclassiccars.com/buick/117775-1 ... aster.html

I think there was some minor difference between the 80s and 81s along with four or five inches in the wheelbase, that made me think it was an 81. I'll have to do another search and find out why. I think it was suggested at the time it may be a 38 but there were some design changed that eliminated any 1938 model.

I still would like to draw one of these for something to run around the DAR route in, the website about has some nice interior shots that would help with the cabview.

Paul :-)
User avatar
stem
Site Admin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
Contact:

Re: M-107

Post by stem »

Series 80, Model 81. I'd definitely agree. I don't see the extra inches in it to make it a series 90.
Steve Meredith
DAR DPI Webmaster and Forum Sysop
Post Reply