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*Same Blue flag as on #25 ? http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/144157 <br>
 
*Same Blue flag as on #25 ? http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/144157 <br>
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V#Duke_of_York Some notes on George from Wikipedia]
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==Titles, styles, honours and arms==
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===Titles and styles===
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* 3 June 1865&nbsp;– 24 May 1892: ''His Royal Highness'' Prince George of Wales
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* 24 May 1892&nbsp;– 22 January 1901: ''His Royal Highness'' The Duke of York
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* 22 January&nbsp;– 9 November 1901: ''His Royal Highness'' The Duke of Cornwall and York
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* 9 November 1901&nbsp;– 6 May 1910: ''His Royal Highness'' The Prince of Wales
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* 6 May 1910&nbsp;– 20 January 1936: ''His Majesty'' The King
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His full style as king was "George&nbsp;V, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India" until the [[Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927]], when it changed to "George&nbsp;V, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India".<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=33274 |date=13 May 1927|page=3111}}</ref>
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===British honours===
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* '''KG''': [[Order of the Garter|Knight of the Garter]], ''4 August 1884''<ref name=cp>White, Geoffrey H.; Lea, R. S. (eds.) (1959) ''[[Complete Peerage]]'', London: St Catherine's Press, vol. XII, pp. 924–925</ref>
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* '''KT''': [[Order of the Thistle|Knight of the Thistle]], ''5 July 1893''<ref name=cp/>
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* Sub-Prior of the [[Venerable Order of St. John]], ''1893''<ref name=MapleLeaf238>{{cite book| last1=McCreery| first1=Christopher| title=The Maple Leaf and the White Cross: A History of St. John Ambulance and the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem in Canada| date=2008| publisher=Dundurn Press| location=Toronto| isbn=978-1-55002-740-2| oclc=696024272| pages=238–239}}</ref>
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* '''PC''': [[Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council|Privy Counsellor]], ''18 July 1894''<ref name=cp/>
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** [[Irish Privy Council|Privy Counsellor (Ireland)]], ''20 August 1897''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCVO''': [[Royal Victorian Order|Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order]], ''30 June 1897''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''KP''': [[Order of St Patrick|Knight of St Patrick]], ''20 August 1897''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCMG''': [[Order of St Michael and St George|Knight Grand Cross of St Michael and St George]], ''9 March 1901''<ref name=cp/><ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27293 |date=12 March 1901 |page=1762}}</ref>
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* [[Royal Victorian Chain]], ''9 August 1902''<ref name=p416>Shaw, Wm. A. (1906) ''The Knights of England'', '''I''', London, [https://archive.org/stream/cu31924092537418#page/n507/mode/2up p. 416]</ref>
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* '''ISO''': [[Imperial Service Order|Companion of the Imperial Service Order]], ''31 March 1903''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCSI''': [[Order of the Star of India|Knight Grand Commander of the Star of India]], ''28 September 1905''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCIE''': [[Order of the Indian Empire|Knight Grand Commander of the Indian Empire]], ''28 September 1905''<ref name=cp/>
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* [[Queen Victoria Golden Jubilee Medal]], with 1897 bar<ref name=vam/>
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After his accession to the throne in 1910, George became sovereign of all the [[chivalric order|orders]] awarded by the British Empire and (later) Commonwealth, including those awarded him prior to his accession. On 4 June 1917, he founded the [[Order of the British Empire]].<ref>{{London Gazette|issue=30250|supp=2|date=24 August 1917|pages=8791–8999}}</ref>
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===Military appointments===
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====Military ranks and naval appointments====
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* ''September 1877'': Cadet, [[HMS Prince of Wales (1860)|HMS ''Britannia'']]<ref>Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (eds; 1999) ''Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage'', London: Debrett's Peerage, vol. 1, p. cv</ref>
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* ''8 January 1880'': Midshipman, {{HMS|Bacchante|1876|6}} and the corvette HMS ''Canada''<ref name=cp/>
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* ''3 June 1884'': Sub-Lieutenant, Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''8 October 1885'': Lieutenant, {{HMS|Thunderer|1872|6}}; {{HMS|Dreadnought|1875|6}}; {{HMS|Alexandra|1875|6}}; {{HMS|Northumberland|1865|6}}<ref name=cp/>
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* ''July 1889'' I/C HMS Torpedo Boat 79<ref>Rose, p. 18</ref>
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* ''By May 1890'' I/C the gunboat {{HMS|Thrush|1889|6}}<ref>Clay, p. 139</ref>
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* ''24 August 1891'': Commander, I/C [[HMS Melampus (1890)|HMS ''Melampus'']]<ref name=cp/>
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* ''2 January 1893'': [[Captain (Royal Navy)|Captain]], Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''1 January 1901'': Rear-Admiral, Royal Navy<ref name=cp/><ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27262 |date=1 January 1901 |page=4}}</ref>
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* ''26 June 1903'': Vice-Admiral, Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''1 March 1907'': [[Admiral (United Kingdom)|Admiral]], Royal Navy<ref name=cp/><ref name="LG 1910">{{London Gazette|issue=28380|page=3859|supp=y|date=31 May 1910}}</ref>
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* ''1910'': [[Admiral of the Fleet (Royal Navy)|Admiral of the Fleet]], Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''1910'': [[Field marshal (United Kingdom)|Field Marshal]], British Army<ref name="LG 1910"/>
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* ''1919'': [[Marshal of the Royal Air Force|Chief of the Royal Air Force]] (title not rank)<ref>{{citation|date=7 August 1919|title=New Titles in the R.A.F.|journal=[[Flight International|Flight]] |volume=1919|page=1044|url=http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1919/1919%20-%201042.html|format=pdf|accessdate=31 October 2011}}</ref>
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====Honorary military appointments====
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* ''21 June 1887'': [[Personal Aide-de-Camp]] to the Queen<ref>{{London Gazette|page=102|issue=25773|date=5 January 1888}}</ref>
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* ''18 July 1900'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)]]<ref>Hart′s Army list, 1903</ref>
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* ''1 January 1901'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Royal Marines|Royal Marine Forces]]<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27263 |date=4 January 1901 |page=83}}</ref>
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* ''25 February 1901'': [[Personal Aide-de-Camp|Personal Naval Aide-de-Camp]] to the King<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27289 |date=26 February 1901 |page=1417}}</ref>
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* ''29 November 1901'': [[Honorary Colonel]] of the [[King Edward's Horse|4th County of London Yeomanry Regiment (King's Colonials)]]<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27383 |date=6 December 1901 |page=8644}}</ref>
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* ''21 December 1901'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Royal Welsh Fusiliers]]<ref>{{London Gazette|issue=27389|date=20 December 1901|page=8982}}</ref>
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* ''12 November 1902'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders]]<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27494 |date=11 November 1902 |page=7167 }}</ref>

Revision as of 15:50, 26 May 2020

That is the description as delivered however, there is a discussion thread here:

about the discrepancies between the photo and the description.

Can this possibly be a HAROLD Jenkins photo if indeed it is a 1901 photo?? It seems that Jenkins marked all his photos whether taken or collected with his name so this might be the case. Harold however had an extensive collection that included not only his own photos but of many others which he marked with his name as well. So it seems that as Harold was born in 1906, no matter what year this photo is from, it's is most likely not his photo but a collected photo.

It would appear that lacking the brick Windsor Station that was built in 1905, this relinquishes this photo to pre-1905. The only Royal visit recorded before 1905 was, as the original photo description depicts, the 1901 Royal visit.

  • 1901 - The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary) - October. Halifax, Amherst.

There has been no description found however of the visit that would indicate the train should be pointed in the direction of Kentville. It is entirely possible with the Midland Railway being completed in 1901 that the Duke might have detoured to Windsor (and beyond?) on his way to Halifax.

While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower right seems to be showing a Red Ensign and on the lower left is what appears to be a Blue Ensign. Looking carefully you will see the Red Ensign, in the canton, appears to be a Union Jack either with no St. Andrew's flag or with a drastically lighter blue for the St. Andrew's component. This could be indicative of a hand made flag (along with the rather strange proportions) or could this be as this article indicates a Union Flag of Great Britain and Ireland?\

Another flag reportedly used during the Duke's royal visit is this one which also could be the flag in question.

  • The coat of arms bearing the phrase "Honi Soit Que Mal Y Pense" is the coat of arms of the "Order of the Garter" as the Prince of Wales is by convention created a Knight Companion. At the bottom the phrase "Ich Dien" (I Serve) is also associated with the Prince of Wales.

Another interesting feature that may explain the mystery surrounding the use of a Royal Crown as the locomotive number plate bearing an extremely strong resemblance to the Order of the garter and linking in with the early D.A.R. steamship herald with a belt circling her and the Crown of St. Edward, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom on top.

The number plates date from No. 1 Queen Mab with the tip of the belt at the bottom but with out the King Edward crown on top until only certain locos started showing them around 1900 but only up to No. 43.


2020-02-10

With more info from the West Hants Historical Society are we getting closer or do we still have a mystery? These are my notes and obs.

  • Train pulled by #25 in the mystery photo

http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=File:DAR0025b.jpg

Some notes on George from Wikipedia

Titles, styles, honours and arms

Titles and styles

  • 3 June 1865 – 24 May 1892: His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales
  • 24 May 1892 – 22 January 1901: His Royal Highness The Duke of York
  • 22 January – 9 November 1901: His Royal Highness The Duke of Cornwall and York
  • 9 November 1901 – 6 May 1910: His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales
  • 6 May 1910 – 20 January 1936: His Majesty The King

His full style as king was "George V, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India" until the Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927, when it changed to "George V, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India".[1]

British honours

After his accession to the throne in 1910, George became sovereign of all the orders awarded by the British Empire and (later) Commonwealth, including those awarded him prior to his accession. On 4 June 1917, he founded the Order of the British Empire.[7]

Military appointments

Military ranks and naval appointments

Honorary military appointments

  1. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  2. ↑ 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 2.12 2.13 2.14 2.15 2.16 2.17 2.18 White, Geoffrey H.; Lea, R. S. (eds.) (1959) Complete Peerage, London: St Catherine's Press, vol. XII, pp. 924–925
  3. ↑ Template:Cite book
  4. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  5. ↑ Shaw, Wm. A. (1906) The Knights of England, I, London, p. 416
  6. ↑ Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named vam
  7. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  8. ↑ Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (eds; 1999) Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage, London: Debrett's Peerage, vol. 1, p. cv
  9. ↑ Rose, p. 18
  10. ↑ Clay, p. 139
  11. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  12. ↑ 12.0 12.1 Template:London Gazette
  13. ↑ Template:Citation
  14. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  15. ↑ Hart′s Army list, 1903
  16. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  17. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  18. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  19. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  20. ↑ Template:London Gazette
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