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about the discrepancies between the photo and the description.
 
about the discrepancies between the photo and the description.
  
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Can this possibly be a HAROLD Jenkins photo if indeed it is a 1901 photo?? It seems that Jenkins marked all his photos whether taken or collected with his name so this might be the case. Harold however had an extensive collection that included not only his own photos but of many others which he marked with his name as well. So it seems that as Harold was born in 1906, no matter what year this photo is from, it's is most likely not his photo but a collected photo.
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This most certainly cannot be a Harold Jenkins photo with a date of 1901. Jenkins marked all his photos, taken or collected with his name so this photo was definitely in his collection.  
  
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It would appear that lacking the brick Windsor Station that was built in 1905, this relinquishes this photo to pre-1905. The only Royal visit recorded before 1905 was, as the original photo description depicts, the [https://web.archive.org/web/20160629222235/https://nsroyalvisit.yolasite.com/1900---1950.php 1901 Royal visit].
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Without the brick Windsor Station that was built in 1905, this relinquishes this photo to pre-1905. The only Royal visit recorded between 1900 and 1905 was not Edward, Prince of Wales (future Edward VII) but the [https://web.archive.org/web/20160629222235/https://nsroyalvisit.yolasite.com/1900---1950.php 1901 Royal visit] of The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary).
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*1901 - The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary) - October. Halifax, Amherst.
 
  
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There has been no description found however of the visit that would indicate the train should be pointed in the direction of Kentville. It is entirely possible with the Midland Railway being completed in 1901 that the Duke might have detoured to Windsor (and beyond?) on his way to Halifax.
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There has been no description found either of the visit that would indicate the train should be pointed in the direction of Kentville. There is evidence however under research that suggests that the Duke of Cornwall (Prince George) visited Spa Springs in 1901. Further evidence that the train was indeed headed for the valley comes from the photo [[:File:201580134.jpg]] that has, as best as can be determined, the same number of passenger cars and an air of a Royal visit at Hantsport.
  
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While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower right seems to be showing a Red Ensign and on the lower left is what appears to be a Blue Ensign. Looking carefully you will see the Red Ensign, in the canton, appears to be a Union Jack either with no St. Andrew's flag or with a drastically lighter blue for the St. Andrew's component. This could be indicative of a hand made flag (along with the rather strange proportions) or could this be as this article indicates a [https://web.archive.org/web/20100701025331/http://sites.google.com/site/naeddyr/symbols Union Flag of Great Britain and Ireland]?\
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[https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=869&Language= Reception of the Duke of Connaught in Halifax 1912]<br>
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Photos of the Duke of York visit Halifax 1901<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=843<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=842<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=959<br>
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http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Ophir_(1891) HMS Ophir<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=237<br> HMS Ophir<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=238<br>
  
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[http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/300395 Another flag reportedly used during the Duke's royal visit is this one which also could be the flag in question.]
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While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower left of the engine seems to be showing a Red Ensign of the day with the provincial coat of arms on top of a white circle. On on the lower right of the engine is what appears to be a Blue Ensign indicating Prince George's naval association. Edward had no military experience.
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*The coat of arms bearing the phrase "Honi Soit Que Mal Y Pense" is the coat of arms of the "Order of the Garter" as the Prince of Wales is by convention created a Knight Companion. At the bottom the phrase "Ich Dien" (I Serve) is also associated with the Prince of Wales.
 
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Another interesting feature that may explain the mystery surrounding the use of a Royal Crown as the locomotive number plate bearing an extremely strong resemblance to the [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Statutes_of_the_Order_of_the_Garter_%28Alexander_III_of_Russia%29.jpg Order of the garter] and linking in with the [[:File:DAR_Steamship_Crew_Portrait.jpg|early D.A.R.]] [[:File:DAR_Steamship_Broach_Front.jpg|steamship herald]] with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Garter#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Johann_Casimir,_Count_Palatine_of_Simmern.png belt circling her] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Garter#/media/File:Crown_of_Saint_Edward_(Heraldry).svg Crown of St. Edward], the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom on top.
 
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The number plates date from No. 1 Queen Mab with the tip of the belt at the bottom but with out the King Edward crown on top until only certain locos started showing them around 1900 but only up to No. 43.
 
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With more info from the West Hants Historical Society are we getting closer or do we still have a mystery? These are my notes and obs.<br>
 
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*Train pulled by #25 in the mystery photo<br>
 
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http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=File:DAR0025b.jpg<br>
 
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*Same Blue flag as on #25 ? http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/144157 <br>
 
  
 
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V#Duke_of_York Some notes on George from Wikipedia]
 
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V#Duke_of_York Some notes on George from Wikipedia]
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* 9 November 1901&nbsp;– 6 May 1910: ''His Royal Highness'' The Prince of Wales
 
* 9 November 1901&nbsp;– 6 May 1910: ''His Royal Highness'' The Prince of Wales
 
* 6 May 1910&nbsp;– 20 January 1936: ''His Majesty'' The King
 
* 6 May 1910&nbsp;– 20 January 1936: ''His Majesty'' The King
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His full style as king was "George&nbsp;V, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India" until the [[Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927]], when it changed to "George&nbsp;V, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India".<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=33274 |date=13 May 1927|page=3111}}</ref>
 
  
 
===British honours===
 
===British honours===

Latest revision as of 12:54, 27 June 2021

That is the description as delivered however, there is a discussion thread here:

about the discrepancies between the photo and the description.

This most certainly cannot be a Harold Jenkins photo with a date of 1901. Jenkins marked all his photos, taken or collected with his name so this photo was definitely in his collection.

Without the brick Windsor Station that was built in 1905, this relinquishes this photo to pre-1905. The only Royal visit recorded between 1900 and 1905 was not Edward, Prince of Wales (future Edward VII) but the 1901 Royal visit of The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary).

There has been no description found either of the visit that would indicate the train should be pointed in the direction of Kentville. There is evidence however under research that suggests that the Duke of Cornwall (Prince George) visited Spa Springs in 1901. Further evidence that the train was indeed headed for the valley comes from the photo File:201580134.jpg that has, as best as can be determined, the same number of passenger cars and an air of a Royal visit at Hantsport.

Reception of the Duke of Connaught in Halifax 1912
Photos of the Duke of York visit Halifax 1901
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=843
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=842
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=959
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Ophir_(1891) HMS Ophir
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=237
HMS Ophir
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=238

While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower left of the engine seems to be showing a Red Ensign of the day with the provincial coat of arms on top of a white circle. On on the lower right of the engine is what appears to be a Blue Ensign indicating Prince George's naval association. Edward had no military experience.

Some notes on George from Wikipedia

Titles, styles, honours and arms

Titles and styles

  • 3 June 1865 – 24 May 1892: His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales
  • 24 May 1892 – 22 January 1901: His Royal Highness The Duke of York
  • 22 January – 9 November 1901: His Royal Highness The Duke of Cornwall and York
  • 9 November 1901 – 6 May 1910: His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales
  • 6 May 1910 – 20 January 1936: His Majesty The King

British honours

After his accession to the throne in 1910, George became sovereign of all the orders awarded by the British Empire and (later) Commonwealth, including those awarded him prior to his accession. On 4 June 1917, he founded the Order of the British Empire.[6]

Military appointments

Military ranks and naval appointments

Honorary military appointments

  1. ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 1.17 1.18 White, Geoffrey H.; Lea, R. S. (eds.) (1959) Complete Peerage, London: St Catherine's Press, vol. XII, pp. 924–925
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  4. ↑ Shaw, Wm. A. (1906) The Knights of England, I, London, p. 416
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  7. ↑ Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (eds; 1999) Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage, London: Debrett's Peerage, vol. 1, p. cv
  8. ↑ Rose, p. 18
  9. ↑ Clay, p. 139
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  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 Template:London Gazette
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  14. ↑ Hart′s Army list, 1903
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