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about the discrepancies between the photo and the description.
  
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Can this possibly be a HAROLD Jenkins photo if indeed it is a 1901 photo?? It seems that Jenkins marked all his photos whether taken or collected with his name so this might be the case.
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This most certainly cannot be a Harold Jenkins photo with a date of 1901. Jenkins marked all his photos, taken or collected with his name so this photo was definitely in his collection.  
  
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[http://nsroyalvisit.yolasite.com/1900---1950.php Could this either of:]
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Without the brick Windsor Station that was built in 1905, this relinquishes this photo to pre-1905. The only Royal visit recorded between 1900 and 1905 was not Edward, Prince of Wales (future Edward VII) but the  [https://web.archive.org/web/20160629222235/https://nsroyalvisit.yolasite.com/1900---1950.php 1901 Royal visit] of The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary).
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*1901 - The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary) - October. Halifax, Amherst.
 
  
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*1906 - Prince Arthur of Connaught - 28 April to 29 April. Halifax. VIsited Royal Artillery Park.
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There has been no description found either of the visit that would indicate the train should be pointed in the direction of Kentville. There is evidence however under research that suggests that the Duke of Cornwall (Prince George) visited Spa Springs in 1901. Further evidence that the train was indeed headed for the valley comes from the photo [[:File:201580134.jpg]] that has, as best as can be determined, the same number of passenger cars and an air of a Royal visit at Hantsport.
  
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*1911 - Princess Patricia of Connaught - Halifax.
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[https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=869&Language= Reception of the Duke of Connaught in Halifax 1912]<br>
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Photos of the Duke of York visit Halifax 1901<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=843<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=842<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=959<br>
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http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Ophir_(1891) HMS Ophir<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=237<br> HMS Ophir<br>
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https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=238<br>
  
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*1912 - Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught with Princess Luise, Duchess of Connaught  and their daughter Princess Patricia. Prince Arthur installed as Governor General at Quebec City.  Prince Arthur unveils Sir Sanford Fleming Park (Dingle Tower) memorial in Halifax. 01 August to 17 August. Digby, Windsor, Wolfville, Grand Pre, Port Williams, Starr's Point, Canard, Kentville and Middleton.
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While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower left of the engine seems to be showing a Red Ensign of the day with the provincial coat of arms on top of a white circle. On on the lower right of the engine is what appears to be a Blue Ensign indicating Prince George's naval association. Edward had no military experience.
  
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*1913 - Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught with Princess Luise, Duchess of Connaught  and their daughter Princess Patricia left Halifax on the Empress of Britain for Liverpool - March 22.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V#Duke_of_York Some notes on George from Wikipedia]
  
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*1913 - Prince Albert (later King George VI), Halifax, May 24th. Prince Albert arrived on the cruiser, Cumberland. He drove through the streets of Halifax with Commander Smith and Captain Hicks, Aide de Campe to Lieutenant Governor McGregor. He attended an "at home" and dance at Government House.
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==Titles, styles, honours and arms==
  
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*1919 - Prince Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor after his abdication in 1936) - 17 August to 18 August. Arrived on HMS Dragon.
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===Titles and styles===
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* 3 June 1865&nbsp;– 24 May 1892: ''His Royal Highness'' Prince George of Wales
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* 24 May 1892&nbsp;– 22 January 1901: ''His Royal Highness'' The Duke of York
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* 22 January&nbsp;– 9 November 1901: ''His Royal Highness'' The Duke of Cornwall and York
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* 9 November 1901&nbsp;– 6 May 1910: ''His Royal Highness'' The Prince of Wales
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* 6 May 1910&nbsp;– 20 January 1936: ''His Majesty'' The King
  
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===British honours===
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* '''KG''': [[Order of the Garter|Knight of the Garter]], ''4 August 1884''<ref name=cp>White, Geoffrey H.; Lea, R. S. (eds.) (1959) ''[[Complete Peerage]]'', London: St Catherine's Press, vol. XII, pp. 924–925</ref>
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* '''KT''': [[Order of the Thistle|Knight of the Thistle]], ''5 July 1893''<ref name=cp/>
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* Sub-Prior of the [[Venerable Order of St. John]], ''1893''<ref name=MapleLeaf238>{{cite book| last1=McCreery| first1=Christopher| title=The Maple Leaf and the White Cross: A History of St. John Ambulance and the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem in Canada| date=2008| publisher=Dundurn Press| location=Toronto| isbn=978-1-55002-740-2| oclc=696024272| pages=238–239}}</ref>
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* '''PC''': [[Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council|Privy Counsellor]], ''18 July 1894''<ref name=cp/>
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** [[Irish Privy Council|Privy Counsellor (Ireland)]], ''20 August 1897''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCVO''': [[Royal Victorian Order|Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order]], ''30 June 1897''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''KP''': [[Order of St Patrick|Knight of St Patrick]], ''20 August 1897''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCMG''': [[Order of St Michael and St George|Knight Grand Cross of St Michael and St George]], ''9 March 1901''<ref name=cp/><ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27293 |date=12 March 1901 |page=1762}}</ref>
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* [[Royal Victorian Chain]], ''9 August 1902''<ref name=p416>Shaw, Wm. A. (1906) ''The Knights of England'', '''I''', London, [https://archive.org/stream/cu31924092537418#page/n507/mode/2up p. 416]</ref>
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* '''ISO''': [[Imperial Service Order|Companion of the Imperial Service Order]], ''31 March 1903''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCSI''': [[Order of the Star of India|Knight Grand Commander of the Star of India]], ''28 September 1905''<ref name=cp/>
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* '''GCIE''': [[Order of the Indian Empire|Knight Grand Commander of the Indian Empire]], ''28 September 1905''<ref name=cp/>
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* [[Queen Victoria Golden Jubilee Medal]], with 1897 bar<ref name=vam/>
  
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While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower right seems to be showing a Red Ensign and on the lower right is a flag that has yet to be properly identified but which may lend a clue to solving who's train this is. Looking carefully you will see it appears to be a Union Jack either with no St. Andrew's flag or with a drastically lighter blue for the St. Andrew's component. Could this be as this article indicates a [http://sites.google.com/site/naeddyr/symbols Union Flag of Great Britain and Ireland]?
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After his accession to the throne in 1910, George became sovereign of all the [[chivalric order|orders]] awarded by the British Empire and (later) Commonwealth, including those awarded him prior to his accession. On 4 June 1917, he founded the [[Order of the British Empire]].<ref>{{London Gazette|issue=30250|supp=2|date=24 August 1917|pages=8791–8999}}</ref>
  
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===Military appointments===
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====Military ranks and naval appointments====
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* ''September 1877'': Cadet, [[HMS Prince of Wales (1860)|HMS ''Britannia'']]<ref>Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (eds; 1999) ''Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage'', London: Debrett's Peerage, vol. 1, p. cv</ref>
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* ''8 January 1880'': Midshipman, {{HMS|Bacchante|1876|6}} and the corvette HMS ''Canada''<ref name=cp/>
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* ''3 June 1884'': Sub-Lieutenant, Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''8 October 1885'': Lieutenant, {{HMS|Thunderer|1872|6}}; {{HMS|Dreadnought|1875|6}}; {{HMS|Alexandra|1875|6}}; {{HMS|Northumberland|1865|6}}<ref name=cp/>
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* ''July 1889'' I/C HMS Torpedo Boat 79<ref>Rose, p. 18</ref>
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* ''By May 1890'' I/C the gunboat {{HMS|Thrush|1889|6}}<ref>Clay, p. 139</ref>
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* ''24 August 1891'': Commander, I/C [[HMS Melampus (1890)|HMS ''Melampus'']]<ref name=cp/>
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* ''2 January 1893'': [[Captain (Royal Navy)|Captain]], Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''1 January 1901'': Rear-Admiral, Royal Navy<ref name=cp/><ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27262 |date=1 January 1901 |page=4}}</ref>
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* ''26 June 1903'': Vice-Admiral, Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''1 March 1907'': [[Admiral (United Kingdom)|Admiral]], Royal Navy<ref name=cp/><ref name="LG 1910">{{London Gazette|issue=28380|page=3859|supp=y|date=31 May 1910}}</ref>
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* ''1910'': [[Admiral of the Fleet (Royal Navy)|Admiral of the Fleet]], Royal Navy<ref name=cp/>
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* ''1910'': [[Field marshal (United Kingdom)|Field Marshal]], British Army<ref name="LG 1910"/>
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* ''1919'': [[Marshal of the Royal Air Force|Chief of the Royal Air Force]] (title not rank)<ref>{{citation|date=7 August 1919|title=New Titles in the R.A.F.|journal=[[Flight International|Flight]] |volume=1919|page=1044|url=http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1919/1919%20-%201042.html|format=pdf|accessdate=31 October 2011}}</ref>
  
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With more info from the West Hants Historical Society are we getting closer or do we still have a mystery? These are my notes and obs.<br>
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====Honorary military appointments====
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Train pulled by #25 in the mystery photo<br>
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* ''21 June 1887'': [[Personal Aide-de-Camp]] to the Queen<ref>{{London Gazette|page=102|issue=25773|date=5 January 1888}}</ref>
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http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=File:DAR0025b.jpg<br>
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* ''18 July 1900'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)]]<ref>Hart′s Army list, 1903</ref>
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Same Blue flag as on #25 http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/144157 <br>
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* ''1 January 1901'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Royal Marines|Royal Marine Forces]]<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27263 |date=4 January 1901 |page=83}}</ref>
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but 1912 visit looks like #32 <br>
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* ''25 February 1901'': [[Personal Aide-de-Camp|Personal Naval Aide-de-Camp]] to the King<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27289 |date=26 February 1901 |page=1417}}</ref>
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DAR0032 http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/139770 ACCESSION NUMBER: 91.725.10 Governor General Train Aug 16, 1912 The Duke of Connaught (son of Queen Victoria). <br>
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* ''29 November 1901'': [[Honorary Colonel]] of the [[King Edward's Horse|4th County of London Yeomanry Regiment (King's Colonials)]]<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27383 |date=6 December 1901 |page=8644}}</ref>
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* ''21 December 1901'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Royal Welsh Fusiliers]]<ref>{{London Gazette|issue=27389|date=20 December 1901|page=8982}}</ref>
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At Windsor Station http://www.novamuse.ca/Detail/objects/144123
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* ''12 November 1902'': [[Colonel-in-Chief]] of the [[Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders]]<ref>{{London Gazette |issue=27494 |date=11 November 1902 |page=7167 }}</ref>

Latest revision as of 12:54, 27 June 2021

That is the description as delivered however, there is a discussion thread here:

about the discrepancies between the photo and the description.

This most certainly cannot be a Harold Jenkins photo with a date of 1901. Jenkins marked all his photos, taken or collected with his name so this photo was definitely in his collection.

Without the brick Windsor Station that was built in 1905, this relinquishes this photo to pre-1905. The only Royal visit recorded between 1900 and 1905 was not Edward, Prince of Wales (future Edward VII) but the 1901 Royal visit of The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary).

There has been no description found either of the visit that would indicate the train should be pointed in the direction of Kentville. There is evidence however under research that suggests that the Duke of Cornwall (Prince George) visited Spa Springs in 1901. Further evidence that the train was indeed headed for the valley comes from the photo File:201580134.jpg that has, as best as can be determined, the same number of passenger cars and an air of a Royal visit at Hantsport.

Reception of the Duke of Connaught in Halifax 1912
Photos of the Duke of York visit Halifax 1901
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=843
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=842
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=959
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Ophir_(1891) HMS Ophir
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=237
HMS Ophir
https://archives.novascotia.ca/notman/archives/?ID=238

While Union Jacks are flying on the upper left and right, the lower left of the engine seems to be showing a Red Ensign of the day with the provincial coat of arms on top of a white circle. On on the lower right of the engine is what appears to be a Blue Ensign indicating Prince George's naval association. Edward had no military experience.

Some notes on George from Wikipedia

Titles, styles, honours and arms

Titles and styles

  • 3 June 1865 – 24 May 1892: His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales
  • 24 May 1892 – 22 January 1901: His Royal Highness The Duke of York
  • 22 January – 9 November 1901: His Royal Highness The Duke of Cornwall and York
  • 9 November 1901 – 6 May 1910: His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales
  • 6 May 1910 – 20 January 1936: His Majesty The King

British honours

After his accession to the throne in 1910, George became sovereign of all the orders awarded by the British Empire and (later) Commonwealth, including those awarded him prior to his accession. On 4 June 1917, he founded the Order of the British Empire.[6]

Military appointments

Military ranks and naval appointments

Honorary military appointments

  1. ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 1.17 1.18 White, Geoffrey H.; Lea, R. S. (eds.) (1959) Complete Peerage, London: St Catherine's Press, vol. XII, pp. 924–925
  2. ↑ Template:Cite book
  3. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  4. ↑ Shaw, Wm. A. (1906) The Knights of England, I, London, p. 416
  5. ↑ Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named vam
  6. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  7. ↑ Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (eds; 1999) Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage, London: Debrett's Peerage, vol. 1, p. cv
  8. ↑ Rose, p. 18
  9. ↑ Clay, p. 139
  10. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 Template:London Gazette
  12. ↑ Template:Citation
  13. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  14. ↑ Hart′s Army list, 1903
  15. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  16. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  17. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  18. ↑ Template:London Gazette
  19. ↑ Template:London Gazette
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