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Wiki Page Not Opening

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Hi Steve,

I tried to get into the Wiki yesterday and the first time it took about four minutes, and an hour later I tried again and I gave up after five. Not sure if you were doing something or not but the Wiki page has never opened in a reasonable time. I started thinking about it and I'm guessing the cause may be the two video clips that are on the opening page. These days browsers download all the media before they open the page and that would mean downloading about 15 MB of video before the page opens. Just wondering if you could test and see of there is any difference if you just replace them with a screenshot that's a link to the videos and not the actual videos.

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So did you notice any difference once the videos were moved to their own page? Have the site loading time got any better?
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Hi Steve,

Yes, the page still takes a little time to open but probably a tenth of what it use to with the videos on it... maybe 4 to 5 seconds now.

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Well, performance will be the next thing to work on. By the way, if you are logging into the wiki it will definitely be slower because logged in users are not using the cached pages. Try logging out if you are logged in and tell me if that's faster. The forum is different. It will serve cached pages even if you're logged in so it should be fairly quick all the time.

Secondly, the computer I had pegged as a server for the new VM server.... turns out it won't run the latest version of VMWare that I created the VM with on my main computer. So for now, it's running on my main computer with me working on the computer as well. Might have something to do with it.

I have plans to move off the main computer desktop and on to my laptop as my main computer, leaving the desktop just running VMs. I have ordered a 4 port Ethernet server card and 8 GB more RAM to beef it up for VM server duty for the desktop and to move off the desktop on to the laptop I ordered a docking station for the laptop because I am hooked on two monitors and can't work efficiently anymore without them.

That will happen over the next month or so.
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Hi Steve,

I started on a Youtube live cam page and selected the wiki while still logged in and it took 4 seconds to open after Firefox posed the address in the address box, that's the same as it took the other day to open.

I then went to the forum and signed out. Went back to the same live cam on Youtube and selected the wiki again. Took about the same time for Firefox to post the address in the address box, and the wiki opened immediately.

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I just added 8GB of RAM today to the server. Let's see if that helps. Otherwise it is what it us for now. Will do my best to look into ways to improve the performance through some configuration changes.

Cheers Paul 👍
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After I posted that last message I got thinking about it and started testing loading times and I came up with generally 4 seconds no matter if the page was full of photos or just text. So I took a look at the VMWare program that runs on my server and serves up the Web Server VM and moved the priority in the task manager up a notch from "normal" to "above normal" and now it seems to be serving pages up generally in 2 seconds.

See if you notice the difference from your end Paul. :mrgreen:
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Hi Steve,

Noticeably faster, maybe a second and a half here.

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Perfect. Then I'll leave it there and figure out how to configure that permanently. Cheers.
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Cheers Steve.

Just thinking about the wiki page not opening here properly. Isn't there usually a line near the top of the HTML page that tells it to resize to the browser's settings?

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What browser are you using Paul?

Most browsers will have the magnification showing in the bottom right status bar or hold your control key down and roll your wheel.
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Hi Steve,

Firefox, fully updated to the current offering.

I did try the Ctrl + mouse wheel and it did zoom out and the page appeared normal. I've not had to do that with any other page anywhere, and nothing has changed here since you changed the programming at your end, so I thought maybe the cause was also at your end.

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I actually wondered the exact same thing but have not yet discovered anything that would allow the skin to reduce its initial size.

Have you tried either the wiki or forum on a mobile device yet? What do you think if you have?
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Hi Steve,

The only mobile devices I have are my legs and a car!

I don't see anywhere on the wiki page or on Firefox that would automatically reset the size of the page which is a little strange. Maybe I'll read the page source and see if there is any difference between the wiki and the forum that stands out.

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There are under browser "settings" both font size and page zoom although those will affect all sites.

I did some testing on the wiki to see what happens at what resolution.
By sizing down browser window width I see that the wiki skin has a minimum size (~1545 pixels @ 100% browser zoom on my computer) under which, the right sidebar jumps to the left under the existing sidebar.
Reducing the size under 1270 pixels make the skin jump to a mobile format.

The forum does the same thing.
It jumps to a mobile format when the browser window is sized down below ~810 pixels.

So both sites do the same thing but at significantly different resolutions.

So we have to consider that famous phrase "It's not a bug, it's a feature" in reply to the behavior of the skin.
With so many screen resolutions out there and so many mobile devices, developers have been challenged to make web sites appear attractive and readable on all devices and in all display modes.

Your browser full screen resolution of 1024 x 768 is the trigger for this skin to go mobile. Only by reducing the page zoom will it show it's full format. Alternatively you can change the skin if you want:
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If I switch the site default to monobook, the site is very difficult to navigate and read on mobile so to gain more audience, mobile friendly skins are the only way to go. Does the "Timeless" skin need some further attention? Yes and I will continue to tweak it and read the styling sheet code to see if I can get it to stay in full format at lower resolutions.

Have you noticed over the last 5 years the amount of conversation on the site has dropped to almost zero? Thank you Facebook. It's the Walmart of the web inasmuch as it has killed a lot of smaller web site forums. It's poorly organized though for retaining subject driven conversations and photo galleries. It essentially is babble streaming. Once it's been babbled it quickly disappears replace by more recent babble.

So the point is, I want to see the audience realize that and come back here to retain the conversation that have been lost in the babble stream on Facebook. And it needs to be mobile friendly in this day or it doesn't stand a chance of happening.


By the way, last night I reduced the size of the font on the wiki skin. Did you notice that?
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